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Monday, January 7, 2013

Ashtavakra Gita 阿什塔夫梵歌

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Q: Guruji, I have been reading the book on Ashtavakra Gita by you. Every word I read makes me feel so good. However, what you have mentioned about Dharma (one’s duty towards social and moral righteousness), Artha (pursuit of material and financial prosperity), and Kaama (desires) being the causes of bondage, is very true indeed. But I am not able to free myself from this bondage. I have done my Purushartha (four noble pursuits of human life –Dharma, Artha, Kaama and Moksha (liberation)) but I feel this is possible only through your blessings now.

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: 
See, in the Ashtavakra Gita it is said, ‘Na Grahyam Na Tyajyam.’ Neither must you hold on to it and nor should you try hard to drop it. Just be hollow and empty and see things the way they are. It is said, ’Ye drishta labha santushtam.’ That means, whatever you receive, and how much ever you receive, be content with that. This is a very important thing – Contentment. A seeker should have both, Contentment and Dynamism in activity. I am always in favour of contentment. But when I stay contented then people around me mistake it for being complacent. So, from time to time, I pretend as if I am not completely contented with what is happening, and engage them in doing this or that, in fixing this or that; something or another.

The purpose behind this is to make sure that you do not become lazy and inactive. So, be diligent, but at the same time, have a sense of contentment within yourself. This is very important.
There are some people who are active and work all the time, but have no contentment. And there are some people who feel very contented inside and so they tend to become lazy. They do not have dedication towards work. That is not right.

We have to take a middle path. We have to have both together – Dynamism in action along with a sense of Contentment. That should be our specialty. Sometimes people wonder, why is Gurudev acting this way? Why is he saying, ‘Do this, do that’, etc. Why is he not talking about being contented and doing nothing? But I keep a watch over everything, and whatever someone needs to do, I guide them in that direction. To those who are very restless, I tell them to be quiet and relax. And to those who are very quiet and reserved, I tell them, ‘Come on, get up! Do something. Do this, and do that! Oh, see what good work so-and-so has done. You are just sitting and doing nothing’. In this way I urge them to act.

In the Bhagvad Gita, Lord Krishna has also given knowledge in this manner. Lord Krishna says to Arjuna, ‘You will not fight the war? What are you saying? People will make fun of you. It is better to die than to suffer the insults of so many people!’ So Lord Krishna goes to this extent to urge Arjuna to fight the war. He tells him, ‘It is not worth living like a coward. It is better that you die than to live like this.’Then later on He says to Arjuna, ‘Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami ma sucah’, (Bhagavat Gita, Chapter 18, Verse). Abandon all the religions and come and surrender to Me. I will liberate you and free you from all your sins. You cannot free yourself of your own sins. I will liberate you from all your sins. So do not worry about your sins, I shall handle them all. You be happy, and do not be dejected.

So you see, knowledge has different levels to it, and each level has its own purpose.

問:古儒吉,我讀了阿什塔夫梵歌裡邊的每一個字都讓我覺得很好。但是當您提到達碼(Dharma—— 一個人對社會的任務和正確的道德觀),阿塔(Artha——物質和經濟繁榮的需求),和咔碼(Kaama——慾望)這三樣為束縛的原因,這點我覺得認同。 但是我沒有辦法把自己從這個束縛裡解脫。我雖然做了普儒啥塔Purushartha——四個生命的崇高追求——達碼,阿塔,咔碼和Moksha莫啥——解脫)),但是我覺得唯有透過您的祝福我才能做到這些。

古儒吉:阿什塔夫梵歌裡提到『Na Grahyam Na Tyajyam』,你不應該緊抓著不放,或著是你也不應該太努力的去試著放下它。空空洞洞就好,
也去看到事情的本貌。它也說到『Ye drishta labha santushtam』, 意思是無論你收到什麼,或是收到多少,都要知足。知足——這是很重要的。一個尋找者應該要擁有兩者——知足和活動裡的動力。我總是處在知足裡。但是當我處在知足的時候,人們誤會那是自滿。所以時不時我都會假裝我對所發生的事情沒有感到滿足,並且要求他們做這些那些的,叫他們修理這個那個的,或是這些那些。這些的背後是為了讓你不要成為懶惰或不去活動。所以,保持勤奮,但是同一時間也要從內在感到知足。這點很重要。有些人很活躍,並無時無刻都在工作,但是他們並沒有滿足。也有一些人從內心裡感覺到知足,但是他們也開始覺得懶散。他們沒有在工作上奉獻。這是不對的。

我們需要走中庸之道。我們兩者都需要——活動裡的動力和接著到來
的知足感。這應該是我們的專長。有時候人們會好奇為什麼古儒吉這樣做?為什麼他說『做這個,做那個』等等。為什麼他不告訴我們要知足或什麼都不需要做?但是我在看顧著所有的事情,什麼人需要做些什麼事,我都會引導他們往那個方向去。對於那些煩躁不安的人,我會告訴他們要安靜下來並放鬆。對於那些很安靜並有所保留的人,我會告訴他們『快點起來!做些什麼吧!做這個,做那個!噢看吧,那個人做的那麼好,而你卻只是坐在這裡什麼都不做』。我用這個方法去讓他們有所行動。

薄迦梵歌裡,克里希納也是這樣傳授知識的。克里希納告訴阿爾諸那『你不要去打仗了嗎?別人會怎麼說?他們會笑話你的。與其被那麼多人侮辱,死了反而會更好過。』克里希納以這麼樣的一個方法去激勵阿爾諸那繼續打仗。他還告訴他說『像懦夫那樣的活下去是不值得的。與其這樣活下去不如死去會更好。』接下來他又說到『Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami ma sucah』(薄迦梵歌第18章)。捨棄所有的宗教信仰,來向我臣服吧。我會讓你從所有的罪惡裡得以解脫。所以你不用再擔心你的罪惡了,我會處理它們的。你會快樂,而不是沮喪。所以你看吧,知識有很多的層次,而每一個層次都有它的作用。

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