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The Other Side of Love 在爱的另一端

The Other Side of Love


January 08, 2013


Bad Antogast, Germany


1865

Q: Gurudev, could you please talk about the connection between spirituality and mathematics?
Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: Mathematics of spirituality is that 2 + 1 = 0.
Did you get it? Think about it!
When the body and mind, these two merge with the One spirit, then nothing remains to be known anymore. That is what it is!

Q: Dearest Gurudev, there have been many questions asking you to talk more about the meaning of Jesus, His birth and the meaning of his presence. Please talk a little about this.
Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: Jesus is the embodiment of love.
Just look at how much insult and pain he had to suffer. Jesus took the hurt and the pain with such equanimity and calmness. He was blamed by everyone. Even his own disciples ran away.
Imagine how hurtful that must have been for him at that time. When you do all you can for your devotees, and one fine day, they disown you and run away, it is the most terrible hurt that anyone can imagine. But Jesus’ life was like that. And when everyone had forsaken him in the end, he even asked God, ‘Have you also forsaken me?’
So, his was a life of total pain on one side and love on the other side.
Now, this does not mean that anybody who loves will have to undergo so much pain. It is not so. His message to the people was always this, ‘Do not be a fanatic about anything. Do not judge and do not be cruel. Be loving and compassionate towards everyone, for God is Love.'
People were living in the head at that time, they were only thinking of sins and punishment. They were only dreaming of heaven and afraid of hell.
Jesus came and said, ‘Live in the present moment. Live now and be loving and caring towards all. There is no need to be afraid of God because He is our father, and like a father he is part of us. My father and I are one.'

He gave such a revolutionary message at that time, and made people realize that the journey is from the head to the heart, and not from the head to the heavens and the stars. He gave that message, but for seventy years no one recorded what He said.
I have heard from scholars that the Bible was written seventy years after his demise. So later on, there could have been many distortions of the original text. That is why there are 72 sects of Christianity, each claiming to be the real one.
There is only one Jesus Christ but there are 72 different sects and they have all interpreted the Bible in their own way.
They must try to grasp its main essence and not get into theological fights with each other, as that will never end in the world.
The same happened with Lord Buddha also. There was only one Lord Buddha but there are 32 sects of Buddhism, each claiming to be the original one, with the right interpretation of his teachings.
The same can be found with Prophet Mohammed also. There are five sects of Islam and they do not like each other. In fact, they contradict each other.
Man has this habit of hanging onto concepts without really experiencing it.
People make those concepts as their identity and are willing to give up their life for that identity.
Jesus’ message was, ‘Wake up and see that the kingdom of heaven is within you. Know that God is love.'

So, be like a child. A child has no prejudices. Unless you are like a child you cannot get into heaven. This message is getting lost.
A child-like innocence, and sense of belongingness with everybody is missing. This is why there has been so much crime in the name of religion.
When religion started to be mixed with political authority, then it gave rise to communism. All this has happened because we do not realize the inner light, that we are, the light of our inner being.

Q: Dear Gurudev, if doing nothing brings us so much joy and happiness, then why should we do anything at all?
Sri Sri Ravi Shankar:
Your nature is such that you cannot stay for too long without doing anything.
You know, bliss is always found or realized in the contrast of events.
When you are doing something and when you put in your 100% efforts, only then do you realize the value of not doing something.
See, when you are active and dynamic, only then does deep rest happen to you. If you are simply lying in bed the whole day and are doing nothing, then you will not be able to sleep at night. So it is essential to do what you have to do.
We have certain karmas to do, and once the karmas are done, then in between the states of doing and being in activity, we do experience that state of not doing anything also.

Q: Gurudev, are desires created, and can they be removed? If so, how?
Sri Sri Ravi Shankar:
Just look back and reflect on your life from your childhood. You had so many desires back then; some of which you fulfilled and many of which you dropped. You have not been able to fulfill every single desire that has arisen in your head as a child, as a young adult, or as a youth.
If it had happened that way, you would have been crazy. You would have been miserable. Thank God that it did not happen. This is why only those things which had to happen started happening to you.
All this praise and insult, everything happens only on planet Earth, and we have to face them and move on. Become a strong soul, a strong individual. That is the real strength.
Are you able to smile through every event in life? That is the purpose of all this.
Can you keep your smile?
It is tough, I know, but you need to do it.
If you try to run away from anything, it is only going to chase you further. If not in this life, then it will happen in the next life. That is why it is said that just be done with everything which has to happen now, and move on with a big smile, with courage, and with enthusiasm.


The bitter experiences that you came across, have given depth to your personality, while the good experiences broadened your personality. So they have all contributed to your life. Good or bad experiences, both should be welcomed, as both make your personality strong. They both contribute to your being in an unimaginable manner.
Just know that they are all part of your Sadhana (spiritual practice).
So, pleasant experiences are also a part of your Sadhana. The same goes for the unpleasant events that you have gone through.
For example, people giving you compliments, or people throwing insults at you are both a part of your Sadhana. In both cases, you become solid, you get centered, and you grow the way you are supposed to grow.

Q: Dear Gurudev, why does longing hurt so much? I am referring to the longing for the Divine and for the Infinity. Where have we come from?
Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: See, love and hurt are very close and go hand in hand.
When you love someone, then you do get hurt sometimes. It happens this way, and we have to live through it. So do not run away from it.
Getting hurt is a part of love.
Today somebody came and told me, ‘My son is like this, my son is like that; he is not listening to me.'
See, it is only natural. The mother has done so much for the child and when the child does not listen to her at all, she feels so hurt.
Naturally, the mother wants the best for her son, while the son thinks he knows what is good for him. So he does not want to listen to the mother. Now, what do you do in this situation?
The mother came to me and said, ‘Gurudev, what do you suggest I should do?’
I told her, ‘See, I want the best for everybody. So, I want the best for your son and I want the best for you as well.'
To this she replied, ‘But Gurudev, my son listens to you more than me.'
I said, 'Now if he listens to me more than you, then that means he knows for sure that Gurudev has no selfish motives and that I will say the right thing.'
I told the son, ‘You do what you want.'
See, I do not dictate to people, ‘You do this, you do that’.
So hurt is indeed a part of love. The pain is inevitable.
When there is love, it also sometimes brings pain. But to be afraid of pain and to stop loving, and shutting down completely is foolishness, which a lot of people do.
To stop being in love because it hurts at times is not an intelligent decision at all. It is the most foolish thing that one can ever do. But those who sail through that little pinch and move on, will get the real, blissful love.

Q: Gurudev, why are humans supposed to go through all these processes to attain enlightenment?
Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: It is needed, just know that for now.

在爱的另一端

2013年1月8日 德国Bad Antogast


问:古儒吉,你可以谈一谈关于灵性和数学之间的关连吗?
古儒吉:灵性的数学是2+1=0.你知道为什么吗?去想一想!
当身体和心智这两样和那唯一的灵性连接的时候,其他的就不需要去知道了。就是这样而已!

问:亲爱的古儒吉,有很多问题是问您关于耶稣的意义,祂的诞生和祂存在的意义。请告诉我们多一点关于这方面的事情。
古儒吉:耶稣是爱的体现。
你只需要去看看他是经历了多少的痛苦和侮辱。耶稣是那么泰然和冷静的接受那些伤害和痛苦。他被所有的人责备。就连自己的门徒都逃走了。想像这些对当时的他是多么的伤痛。当你全心全意去为你的信徒的时候,可是有一天他们就这样否认你并逃走了,这是没有人能想象到的可怕伤痛。但是耶稣的生命就是这样。当最后所有的人都遗忘了他的时候,他甚至问上帝『就连您也遗忘了我吗?』。他的生命就是如此,一边是痛苦,而另一边是爱。


现在,这并不表示说任何的人在爱里都得经历这么多的伤痛。不是这样的。他给人们的讯息一直都是『不要盲信任何的事情。不要去审判,也不要成为残酷。对大家要有爱心和慈悲心,因为神就是爱。』当时的人们是活在头脑里,他们只想着罪恶和惩罚。他们都只梦想着天堂和畏惧着地狱。耶稣来了并说到『活在当下。就活在现在,去对别人付出爱和关怀。我们不需要畏惧上帝,因为祂是我们的父,就如一位父亲那样,祂也是我们的一部分。我的父亲和我是一体的。』
他给了这么样的一个革命的讯息,
让人们领悟这个旅程是从头脑回到心灵,而不是从头脑去到天堂或是星星。他给了这么一个讯息,但是70年以来没有一个人把它记录下来。我听学者们说圣经是在耶稣离开后的70年才开始记载的。所以后来,有可能原文已经有许多被扭曲了。这就是为什么基督教有72个门派,而每一个都说他们是纯正的。耶稣基督就只有一位,但是却有72个门派,而大家都以自己的方式去注解圣经。他们必须试着去掌握其主要的精髓,而不是在神学里相互争执,因为这是没完没了的。 同样的事情也发生在佛陀身上。佛陀就只有一位,但是佛教却有32个门派,而每一个都自称是原始的,并且对佛陀的教诲有着最正确的注释。莫哈默德也是一样。伊斯兰教有五个门派。而门派之间都不喜欢彼此。事实上彼此之间都在对立着。人类有个习惯就是喜欢抓着概念,而不是亲自去体验它。人们把那些概念当成自己的身份,他们也愿意为这些身份牺牲自己的性命。耶稣的讯息是『醒过来去看到天堂就在你内。去知道神就是爱。』

所以保持像个孩子一样。孩子是没有偏见的。除非你像个孩子,不然你是不能抵达天堂。这个讯息已经失去了。孩子的纯真,和与每个人之间的归属感都已经失去了。这就是为什么很多犯罪案是以宗教的名义发生。当宗教和和政治权利开始混合的时候,共产主义就会延伸。这一切的发生都是因为我们没有发现那内在的光芒,我们的本貌,我们内在本性的光芒。

问:亲爱的古儒吉,如果不去做什么可以带给我们那么多的喜悦和快乐,那么我们为什么还要去做些什么呢?
古儒吉:你的本性就是这样,你不能在太久的时间里没有做任何事情。你们知道,幸福往往是在对比的事件里被发现或察觉。当你在做某件事情,而你投入100%的努力,你才会发现不做任何事情的价值。看看,当你是活跃和处在动态时,深层的休息才会发生在你身上。如果你只是成天躺在床上无所事事,那么夜间的时候你会睡不着。所以做你该做的是有必要的。我们有一些业力需要去处理,当那些业力被处理掉了,那就处于在做的状态和处在活动之间,我们也会体验不做任何事情的状态。


问:古儒吉,欲望是被创造的吗,它们可以被去除吗?如果可以,要怎么做? 古儒吉:回过头来反思你从童年至今的生活。过去你有那么多的欲望;有些你达到了,有些你放下了。在你还是小孩子,年少,或青年的时候你都无法将脑海里的欲望都一一实现。如果它真的发生了,那么你会疯掉的。你也会痛苦。感谢神这并没有发生。这也是为什么只有该发生在你身上的事情才会开始发生。

所有的这些赞美和侮辱,这些只会在地球这个星球上才会发生,
而我们需要面对它并继续向前。成为一个坚强的灵魂,坚强的人。这才是真正的力量。你可以用微笑面对所有生命里的事件吗?这就是一这些的目的。你可以继续微笑吗?这个很难,我知道,但是你必须要这么做。如果你试着从任何一件事情里逃走,它只会追你追锝越远。如果不是在这一生,那么它将会在下一辈子。所以这就是为什么会说把一切现在所发生的都做个了结吧,然后带个大大的微笑,以勇气和热忱,继续前进。 那些你所经历的痛苦经验,带给你的人格深度,而好的经历扩展了你的人格。所以它们都对你的生命有所贡献。好的或坏的经历,两者都应该被欢迎,因为两者都让你的人格更坚强。它们两者都带给你的本质一些无法想象的贡献。
只需要知道它们都是Sadhana(灵性修持)。所以,喜悦的经历也是你的Sadhana的一部分。同样的你所经历的不愉快事件也是那样。举个例子,人们给了你赞美,或人们丢给你侮辱,这两者都是你的Sadhana。两者间,你会成为稳固,你会成为中心,你也会依据你应该成长的方向去成长。

问:亲爱的古儒吉,为什么渴望带来那么多的伤痛?我指的是对神性和那无限的渴望。我们从哪里来?
古儒吉:看,爱和伤害是非常接近也是并肩而行的。当你爱一个人的时候,你有时候也会受伤害。它是这样发生的,而我们需要经历它。不要从它逃走。被伤害是爱的一部分。
今天有个人来告诉我『我的儿子这样,我的儿子那样;他不听我的劝告。』看,这只是自然的。妈妈为孩子做了那么多所以当孩子完全不听她的话的时候,她觉得很受伤。很自然的,妈妈要最好的给她的儿子,而儿子认为他知道什么是对自己最好的。所以他不要听妈妈的。现在,你在这种情况下会怎么做?这位妈妈来见我说『古儒吉, 您建议我该怎么做?』我告诉她『看,我要最好的给每一个人。所以我要最好的给你的儿子和最好的给你。』她回答到『但是古儒吉,我的儿子听你的多过听我 的。』我说『现在如果他听我的多过听你的,这表示他知道古儒吉肯定没有自私的动机而我只会说对了事情。』我告诉儿子『你去做你要做的。』看,我不去主宰别人『你做这个,你做那个』。所以伤痛是爱的一部分。伤痛是必然的。
当有爱在的时候,有时候它也会带来伤痛。但是害怕伤痛而停止去爱,和完全的封闭是愚蠢的,这是很多人所做的。因为有时候爱会带来伤痛而停止去爱是个完全不明智的决定。这是一个人所做的最愚笨的事情。但是那些顺利渡过这些小插曲而继续前进的,会得到真正,极乐的爱。

问:古儒吉,为什么人需要经历过这些过程才能得到开悟?
古儒吉:这是必要的,目前只需要知道这个就好。

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